Let the know knowings use the kizmos and just give us your real opinions based on real use. For each of the sections tested, I. E. Table flatness, miter to blade, miter to fence, etc. Following in second place is the Hitachi C10RJ and the DEWALT DWE7491RS in third place. Only after I complained to the store manager did they do anything about the problem, by replacing the saw with a new one. Dual-Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw with Precision LED Shadow Guide Although I think the above comment was a bit harsh. Flatness measurements varied from 0.0 to .09 inches. thanks for your feedback. Is the Rigid a bad saw? I could not find one online, called Metabo, who referred me to the retailer, who in turn referred me back to the manufacturer. Dave – let me do some investigation and get back to you. Thanks for the reply – after writing this, I was alerted to online stock of the Dewalt with an online retailer, so I was able to snatch one up before they sold out. Responding “yes it is available” is met with crickets 99.9% of the time. Especially interested in how you’re finding the Hitachi is holding up. In looking at the various machines on line and checking out their comments, it’s quite clear pretty much all of them have a manufacturing distribution of performance and metrics e.g. In our opinion this gives us an idea of how strong the motor/gear box combination is for each saw. PSI Woodworking TSGUARD Table Saw Dust Collection Guard. Thanks! This device has an accuracy of 0.1 degree. Lastly, we spent some time evaluating the fences. Extraordinarily thorough reviews! SawStop was perfect out of the  box and Makita, Hitachi and SkilSaw were very close with only a 0.1 degree deviation. Really helpful for us. I’d offer a few thoughts though on this topic. Thanks!! Stop, Accuracy of 90 Deg. How did you acquire the machines? Set your fence to the width of the insert, raise the blade only slightly … This instrument has an accuracy of .0005 inches. H Maximum Working load (lbs.) keep it up. In Canada our prices our much different. It makes the test data for current draw under load impossible, as the breaker would trip EVERY time. Sorry. And it’s table was flat. And the SS definitely has more power for hardwoods than the delta, but it was literally 4 times as expensive and so it better Switched the Delta over to thin kerf blades shortly after I bought it and it works very well, especially given the price point. Our TBB crew all helped rank each of the table saws for the ergonomics categories that we defined. No….is a 10% difference a big deal? Now, one minor disappointment… I too had heard that pro’s were starting to trust the new Hercules table saw from HF. Hey Mr Rob I was wondering if you can help me here on a few things. In my mind, the most important design feature of a table saw is that everything must lock down tight so you can get a good repeatable cut. Thanks for a great article guys. Many thanks and great job! Putting the findings aside, Which one would you prefer for construction as far as accuracy and ability to cut a variety of materials? It has not been used yet, but I plan to return it because of that. We also measured the decibels during the test. All 8 of these jobsite table saws are similar in size and capacity. I can’t imagine having to do two passes to complete a 3/4″ dado. Thks Rob. Noted that the no-load amperages changed from one set of data (cut-type) to another for some of the saws. It has not held up at all, I keep it in my construction trailer and it has its own cubby hole and is secured with straps. Do the trunions flex and cause un-even cuts? I believe there are errors in your RPM computation charts. I had one for years until I upgraded to a unisaw. It’s an erratic report that would detail Hercules 12-inch as the replica of Dewalt DWS780 in all ramifications. Dave – I’m glad you found our website so useful. To compare the saws we’re looking for how much blade speed each saw has under load, and also how much the amp draw increases under load. That Hitachi/Metabo C10RJSM price jumped ~$200 more, now it’s about the same as the Dewalt! Yes it will certainly be a great saw for anyone including beginners. In every case, the result came out to within 0.1 degree of the prior test. When it comes to stands it’s a much harder conversation. Smaller saws can cut thinner materials such as wooden panels, vinyl, laminates and thin sheets of metal. Page 1 Owner’s Manual & Safety Instructions 10″ COMPACT JOBSITE TABLE SAW WARNING: To prevent serious injury, user must read and understand Owner’s Manual. With the Hercules Table, MotoArt has once again produced a piece that is truly unique. His focus is home projects so AMP draw (lol…) was an ultimate decision factor for me. TBB ran the test twice to ensure the repeatability of the measurement. Your team tested the second model, which I think comes with a premium Freud Diablo blade . This review could not have been found at a better time. Both the Bosch and SkilSaw are in a range that needs further evaluation especially if the saw is to be used for finish work. It is powered by a 7800 RPM AC motor. At any rate, we appreciate the input and hope we can keep you interested in our future testing. I’d be glad to see a list of the testing gauges and other instruments used. Sorry Todd usually does the approving and he’s on vacation. Peter – The Metabo HPT is a good saw, I’m sure the updated model likely addressed some issues they were having with a previous version (only speculating). In his capacity at United he oversees the Residential and Commercial Building Division along with all Design-Build projects.He is also the editor of Home Construction & Improvement. The reality is we have full time jobs as contractors not as engineers in a testing lab. If the blade is tilted to 90deg 100 times, does it always go back to 90? Really informative and thorough review. 877-346-4814. Overwhelmingly the crew really likes the rack and pinion fences that DEWALT, Hitachi and SkilSaw have on their saws. It’s nice to know and read about this stuff. At this same time I am going to replace the steel sheet metal shower stall with a modern stall. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. At the end of the video you talked about longevity…. For those of you with heavy critiques, I suggest you take a pen and paper and start thinking about how many men and how much time and how much money all of that testing would take not to mention experience in the trades. I say this because You’ve got the sawstop as the overall most accurate despite being the least flat. Also, I’m trying to decide between the DeWalt & the SkilSaw if I install on it the Incra TS-LS fence system I have. It’s been a toss-up between the DeWalt and the Metabo for me, biggest factor being that the DeWalt is completely sold out in our area within 600+ miles, so I feel like picking up the Metabo just to have something for an upcoming project, but don’t want to be disappointed down the road. We never have and never will accept payment in exchange for a positive review. The rack-and-pinion style that DEWALT, Hitachi and some others use are far more accurate over the long haul than the “clamp” style. Certification CSA Cutting angles (deg) As a reader/carpenter, I’ll mentally weight the results for 2 things: 1) Importance of each test. Bob – Thanks for the compliment. Absolutely fantastic testing, wonderful, thank you. The dewalt 7480 299.99 free shipping or the 745 for 294.99 free shipping .The Metabo HPT c10RJ 329.99 free shipping and the last is a Skilsaw SPT70WT-01 for 329.99 free shipping . Years ago, the only way to get this information would be to go around and buy beers for contractors after work and ask them about their tools. While I can’t speak to the specifics as I’m also not a “motor” guy I can tell you there is certainly a difference. | Disclaimer & Privacy Policy Tool Box Buzz™ is a Trademark of Tool Box Buzz, LLC Visit Our Partner Sites. A 50 rpm deviation at those speeds is approximately 1% variance which is well within the tolerance we should expect from taking the readings at a precise instant of time. The Dewalt feels like a toy. If you have the room that’s what I’d suggest. I may have this backwards-lolo. Sorry, but after I posted above, another question came to mind. Very well written article with full information. It has a powerful history and within the context of a home or office it will raise the room aesthetic to new heights. Below is a graph showing the average measured decibels for the saws (for each of the materials we tested). Maybe at some point but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. This device has an accuracy of 0.1 degree. In every case, the result came out to within 0.1 degree of the prior test. In the left column is the no-load blade speed and the right column is the lowest recorded blade speed during the cut. I have like dewalt drills and a few sanders and things and have no had any problems yet but, i dont use them everyday and I guess I was trying to think if the saws would stand up ok from them as well. Before measuring the runout, we placed a black mark on the calibration plate to give a consistent starting position for the runout test. Is the arbor just not long enough? Think about it like driving a car, a more powerful car will not drop as much speed going up a hill and the engine won’t work as hard. Price and other details may vary based on size and color. Is that power feeder available to buy? In this application I doubt it. If it happens in 30 days it can go back to the store but after 30 days you call Hitachi (most described as unpleasant) drive to your closet Hitachi Service center and wait (up to months). The DEWALT is very similar to the other saws with regard to the table. The ability to move the saw around on the wheels within the building will be helpful, but once it’s inside that is where it will live. Any comments are appreciated! Very much appreciated! Base board vertical capacity. As the operator faces the saw, we measured the flatness at the arbor from front-to-rear; we measured the left-to right flatness at the arbor; we measured the flatness from the upper left-to-lower right table corners; and, finally, we measured the upper right-to-lower left flatness between the corners. Again, many thanks for the great review. I've read it's comparable to the Dewault saw but it doesn't have the rack and pinion fence. I used to have a Makita table saw, with a terrible fence, unreliable ruler markings, and difficult to use blade guide that interfered with measurements, which you needed to do every time-a terrible saw, very frustrating to use. ?? The next graph includes the results from the pressure treated framing lumber. Do not use dado sets larger than 8″ diameter.”. Not always, but we provide all our data in hopes that some or all of it will help someone choose a tool that’s best for them. I hve often wondered how each of these saws compared to the others. Based on your excellent evaluation of all these saws, I am going to go with the Dewalt. It’s not all cheap garbage anymore…. Like many things, these more “compact”, “portable” saws don’t offer all the adjustments that nicer cabinet saws offer. Table saws larger motors are mostly benchtop saws … Thanks again for the tests and your input, it has been a useful education! I highly doubt the sprayed coating is tougher than the material under it. it is set for 10 3/4" outside dimension and Chicago electric is 9" outside dimension. Would a strong motor make up for slightly more run out? These portable saws are running around 2 hp, while a shop saw is running 3-5 hp, some even more. Not sure about all the fixes, but I’m wondering if you would still consider this a good buy, especially if you’re still running your current model of the Hitachi. We have parts, diagrams, accessories and repair advice to help make your tool repairs easy. The rest of the saws had fairly significant increases in amp draw with DEWALT at 32%, Delta at 42%, Bosch at 55%, Makita at 61%, SawStop at 79% and Ridgid at 120%. The main problem is that the rip fence just sits on top of the slides and is only prevented from moving laterally by a couple of stamped steel hooks that drop over pins keyed into T-slots in the slides. This is the fourth Ridgid product that I have purchased, and all of them were defective. It’s immeadiately obvious that the Sawstop’s construction is far superior to the Dewalt. Product Length 26.5 in. The motor isn’t going to fix this. Bobby – Job site saws like the ones we reviewed in this article are built “light weight” for portability. When these saws hit the site, they are unboxed, assembled and immediately put into use. In order to measure the blade speed we used a digital laser non-contact tachometer. As far as the Hitachi. We evaluated the fences and ranked them in the ergonomics section, we even did lateral load testing on them as part of that ranking. For example, for the Rigid saw, in the RPM-Plywood graph you show 4,350 as the No Load Spped; but in the RPM-Pressure Treated graph you show 3.650 and in the RPM-Mahogany graph you show 4,000. You should think about re-evaluating your position. This tests gives us a relative comparison of how much blade speed reduction the motors have under different loading conditions. Anyway, that’s my $.02. […] Link Sean Mentioned: https://www.toolboxbuzz.com/head-to-head/best-portable-jobsite-table-saw-head-to-head/ […]. It is a tiny garage which we use for storage so I need a saw I can store there but will be doing the actual cutting in the driveway so I have to move it out there to cut, then store it back in the garage in a tight space. Remember, these are portable table saws, not shop saws, and hence they are not designed for “precision” work. But for others, maybe this is their only option and they want something more accurate like a shop saw. So I’m just wondering if this Hitachi table saw be a good saw for the beginner? After that calibration, the measurements give a result that is relative to the saw table. On the Hitachi as it sat in the Lowes showroom I was able when locked to move the fence. Just because an appliance/tool/device draws more than 15 amps doesn’t mean it would trip a 15 amp breaker, and certainly not a 20 amp breaker. Designed with the same cutting capacity, precision, accuracy and durability as the best-selling professional miter saws on … For some reason they choose not to. Product Weight 54 lb. Frank – Like most things in life if we could take the best from each and make our own it would be great! I’m weighing the pros and cons of several of the saws in the tests and trying to decide which is more suitable. To assess the manufactured accuracy of the eight saws, TBB looked at six areas to measure and compare: Table Flatness, Accuracy of 45 Deg. In the photo above you can see our test set-up with the power feeder, a decibel meter to the left, the digital tachometer in the center, and the amp meter on the right. The saw was pretty well calibrated out of the box but I fine tuned it a bit getting the blade to miter slot distance to within .004″. They are also priced in the middle of the two other categories. Just stay clear of that store completely. Hello, and thank you very much for taking the time to conduct this amazing review of job site table saws. Keep up the excellent work. Also, you can buy blade stabilization plates, does that help? This portable jobsite table saw head-to-head includes 8 saws from; Bosch, Delta, DEWALT, Hitachi, Makita, Ridgid, SawStop and Skilsaw. . The first graph below shows the amp draw for each saw cutting plywood compared to the no-load amp draw. The only thing I’ll mention is that you scored all the results as if they were equally important, and that’s ok for trying to arrive at a neutral test. I recently bought the $299 Ridgid as a secondary saw but returned it due to the blade defkection. thanks for your nice article. Which is correct? This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. The results are in and, as a group, these eight saws measured up quite well for out-of-the-box accuracy. If the blade and the miter slot were father apart at the rear of the saw, the dial indicator showed a positive reading. As a beginner, I did not wish to spend huge amounts of money until I was sure it was something I would be staying with for a while :-). These tests are so “big” that it’s hard to test every last variable. 1. However, we feel comfortable that all the table saws in this Head-to-Head are good saws and our testing helps bring to light pros and cons for each saw. We calibrated the iGauging dial indicator to a zero reading at the operator’s end of the rip fence so that we started out with a reading of zero. I’m wondering if this saw has been a consideration, especially for its really low current pricetag. Saws like this: https://www.jettools.com/us/en/c/woodworking-table-saws/180?Series=proshop&Filter=1&reset=true. We cannot do longer term testing that would shed light on durability and we can’t possibly test every application that you might use of one of these saws for. Paul – Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Thanks for such informative blog writing which is helpful for woodworking lovers. We adjusted the throw of the dial indicator so that we took the readings on the indicator, as before, in the middle of the indicator’s range of movement. Below we’ve included the current pricing (at the time of publishing this article). Great testing work. A contractor saw is a bit smaller in footprint than a cabinet saw, slightly lighter, and works well on a mobile stand. Whether you’re shopping for ergonomic tools or just trying to select the right one for the job from an existing collection, the key things to consider are whether or not the tool eases your work and prevents you from straining in ways that could lead to injury. And replace it with a 7 in 1/4 Diablo blade….less noise…less money….less saw kerf marks in the wood… glassware on the motor… along with less vibration. Remembering that a sheet of paper is approximately 0.004″ thick, the results show that the Hitachi and Skilsaw factory settings need some adjustment for better accuracy. Both the DEWALT and Makita built their saw with the professional contractor in mind. Sorry you’re disappointed. We attached a Bosch dust extractor to each saw and measured the weight of dust collected for a fixed number of cuts. And where the Makita’s lagged the SawStop, the difference was not actually meaningful. I understand having products be faulty it’s a numbers game it has to happen to some one. So, even though you said the table sizes on all of these are similar, I’d really like to know the actual table size, at least of these two, if you hsppen to know it. I have both the Delta and the SawStop, cut a piece of 1.5″ x 4″ Mahogany today to test and read 12.2 on the Delta and 12.9 on the SS. SAVE THIS MANUAL. Just got it a week ago. You can also subscribe without commenting. What’s not to like except the price? My problem is that I don’t have any workspace in my garage. If you look really closely at the saw blade, the piece of reflective tape is to the left side of the blade near the power feeder. Tire size (in.) 2) blade runout – this is important to me because I want to use the saw for finish cuts. Thanks for the excellent article, and the video as well. Before we present the testing results, it’s helpful to set the stage by listing all the features and specifications for comparison. Although, I wonder what the purpose of the coating is on all the table tops? I was glad to see that the Hitachi did so well in the head to head. 3-1/8 in. All theses kizmos are for the manufacturers to hype. Table Saw, TACKLIFE, 15A 10-Inch, 4800RPM, 25.3''x 28.3'' Extension Table saw，Cutting…. . The new one is definitely better but not as good as the Delta for sure. I’d would like to import a Hitachi C10RJ from the US to Japan, where I live. And the adjustments are very easy to make and effective. I like that it’s able to rip/crosscut 4x4s in one pass, and the rack and pinion fence. If the blade and the miter slot were closer together at the rear of the saw, the dial indicator has a negative reading. Are those tests what you might be interested in? If you are a professional tradesman, I recommend never purchasing a Ridgid product. Ridgid was almost a full degree off from the 45 stop. Hammer time!! for that issue. I turned 50 this year and really appreciate the lighter weight tools, A question: why the no-load speed for same machine is different in different table? Thank you very much for conducting such a thorough review on the saws involved. For this ergonomic section, we considered the following factors, rating them 1 thru 3. but what is its model # or exact description? While the *average* quality from a given manufacturer might be great, you could also be unlucky get a piece of junk because *everything* made on the production line ships out. This is pretty much good table saw that satisfy me with it performance. We placed the Wixey gauge on the table and calibrated the inclinometer to the table by zeroing out the gauge. Okay for a one-time use, but not otherwise worth the investment. It looks like a very nice tool, and something that deserves a dedicated space to be set up in, which I probably won’t have for dust reasons. . When unpacking, make sure that the product is intact and undamaged. all the fancy self feed stuff etc, what saw feels the most powerful? Ore important to a pro user is tool able to be adjusted to be near perfect and how does it hold this position. so you have to move the back clamp forward. First you save energy and costs if the saw is running a long time. At 49.5” long and approximately 24” wide the Hercules Table fits perfectly into most any setting, becoming an artful centerpiece that will engage and inspire. You use different values for “no load speed” in each test. Use saw horses or supports if necessary. I hope that helps a bit. Our goal is to provide readers with honest, objective information based on our own experiences. I currently have the older model of the Bosch job site table saw and love it but its time for a replacement. I’m hoping to hire someone to replace the shower stall and build a custom stall in the odd shaped space available, however I would not be surprised if there was no one willing to take on the headache, and so may do that myself. Shipping Weight 62.60 lb. He used it a few times and had this issue. Originally, we had also to include Ryobi as a budget friendly option for DIY’ers or guys just starting in the trades. There is a recall on that and the parts are backordered for months. First… THANK you! The C-130 Hercules Coffee Table is a one-of-a-kind piece of custom furniture that instantly injects character into any space. It represents great value for money and is a great addition to any hobbyists equipment. We used a power-feeder to ensure that all the material was pushed through each saw at the same feed rate. Makita’s 10” Contractor Table Saw with Portable Stand is a versatile and powerful table saw for use in the shop or on the jobsite. My guess is it would be fine. For me this is very important. I recently purchased an older poorly maintained brick building from around 1900 which I am planning to fix and build an apartment in for myself, nothing fancy. It’s a preferred business model these days – the prices are much cheaper but the manufacturers trade that off against dealing with significantly increased returns and the need for much more customer service. Specific differences in the saws are listed below. The Hitachi, Delta and SkilSaw could use some calibration. The saws/stands range from 80 lbs with the Ridgid up to 114 lbs for the Makita. Says it has a 5 year warranty. Hello, Watched your video and read through your findings. Sadly, the Harbor Freight offering wasn’t released at the time of this “face off”, be interesting to see how it would fare. And so for me, there’s a number of winners to this competition, depending on how one intends to use the saw. I personally use both the DEWALT and Bosch here at work and we’ve had great luck with them and no warranty issues. It seems to be hit or miss on the flatness one might get in any given table, a random factor. Real-time RT-PCR was performed using Power SYBR Green master mix (Applied Biosystems, Foster City, CA), 50 ng of cDNA, and 7.5 μM of each primer (primer sequences are presented in Table 1). Product Height 18 in. Exact fit for the Hercules Model # HE74. Honestly, the DEWALT rack and pinion fence is a bit more stable. Paul – Great question. I will be using this in conjunction with building the Ron Paulk workbench and did not need the stand. ALL of these saws are rate for 15 amps max and supplied with a cord that will connect only to a 15 amp outlet. I am torn between the new DeWalt saw and the Bosch Saw. Skilsaw beat out Makita for the 3rd place only slightly and that result is really a function of pricing. How long ago did you buy it? My Son is getting into woodworking tools and put a portable table saw on his Christmas list of items for Family members to “chip in towards”. Precision Cuts The Hercules 929 Mini Cutoff Saw has a 2-inch blade diameter and a .020 inch blade thickness. Ergonomically enhanced tools can include helpful features such as angled handles, riving knives, safety switches, and non-slip coatings. Ergonomic guidelines in tool design can help maximize human performance on the job by making the job easier for the worker, improving safety and decreasing injuries. Or is it a zero clearance plate problem? A table saw is a convenient and useful instrument that provides necessary support in both professional building projects and home workshops. Probably the most in-depth I’ve ever seen. excelant article / video. We are spoiled. I thought maybe a job site saw like one of these would work well but I would be making furniture and “woodworking” projects so maybe not. Also, if it did need tuning the access points to do so are extremely easy to use. Hi Todd, To you and your team, this was a great review. Horsepower (hp) 1.8 Maximum cut depth @ 45 deg 2-1/4 in.